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    Fernando Gont
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    ICMP attacks against TCP: Conclusions

    Folks,

    My posts to this list have tried to show how easy it is to perform ICMP
    attacks against TCP.

    The attacks are blind, so the attacker does not need to be a "man in the
    middle" to perform then. The typical number of packets required to perform
    any of these attacks is about 16000 (in many cases, the attacker requires
    fewer packets). This means that even when a 128kbps link, it will take the
    attacker much less than a minute to perform them.

    What are the affected applications?

    Well, the first one that may come to your mind is BGP, but there are
    others. For example:


    * Proxies (either transparent, or not)
    Let's say I don't want my users to access the web site at 192.168.0.1. If
    the proxy address is 10.0.0.1, I can run any of the tools as:

    icmp-xxxx -c 10.0.0.1:1024-65535 -s 192.168.0.1:80 -t server

    With this attack, I would be messing with all the clients that are using
    the proxy 10.0.0.1 to access the webserver at 192.168.0.1


    * Mail
    Think about two major e-mail providers. Let's say one is 10.0.0.1, and the
    other one is 192.168.0.1. Let's DoS the mail transfers from 10.0.0.1 to
    192.168.0.1:

    icmp-xxxx -c 10.0.0.1:1024-65535 -s 192.168.0.1:25 -t client

    Let's also DoS the mail transfers from 192.168.0.1 to 10.0.0.1:

    icmp-xxxx -c 192.168.0.1:1024-65535 -s 10.0.0.1:25 -t client


    * NATs
    NATs will usually make all the hosts in your network use one (or a few) IP
    address(es) for their TCP connections. By performing the attack against the
    IP address of the NAT box trying all the possible port number combinations,
    you would be attacking the TCP connections of all the clients behind the NAT.


    And the list could continue....

    Even only one attacker with broadband access can perform these attacks, as
    discussed above.

    Not to mention what could happen if someone had the idea to include these
    attack tools in an Internet worm.


    Wasn't this simple? Isn't this something that should be fixed?

    Otherwise, read the draft at
    http://www.gont.com.ar/drafts/icmp-a...ainst-tcp.html , send it to
    your vendor, explain it to them, and ask them to fix their OS.

    Some readers have argued why I try to "sell" my internet-draft again and
    again. The answer is simple: 8 people out of 10 of every discussion I have
    had on these issues have misunderstood the problem, and how it should be fixed.

    Let's name a few:

    * The TCP MD5 option does not protect you from these attacks
    * IPSec does not protect you from these attacks
    * You cannot filter all ICMP messages
    * Relying on fragmenttion has many potential problems (read Mogul's
    "Fragmentation considered harmful" classic, or the recen Matthis'
    "Fragmentation considered very harmful")
    * The minimum IPv4 MTU is 68. If you ignore ICMP messages that claim MTU's
    lower than X (where X>68), then there's a high chance your TCP connections
    may stall


    Big vendors' employees making misleading claims to the press have certainly
    not helped to make people patch their systems, or push their vendors to
    produce patches.

    Those guys that have started nonsensical discussions about whether this is
    new or not have not helped, either. And have not realized that the
    discussion should be whether "this is current", rather than whether "this
    is new".

    I have received almost no feedback from "vendors". Unfortunately, they
    don't realize that ICMP is a core protocol, and that discussion on the
    counter-measures is needed for the benefit of us all.

    Last, but not least, the IETF specifications need to address these issues.
    If vendors patch their systems, but the IETF specifications are not
    updated, there's a high chance that there will be brand-new vulnerable
    implementations in the near term.

    Get involved. Discuss the counter-measures. Get your vendor fix the
    problems. And ask *how* they are fixing them (what if they just didn't
    understand, and are not really protecting you, or causing more harm than
    good?).

    And have the specs address these issues. That's the real and final fix for
    these issues.

    Kindest regards,

    --
    Fernando Gont
    e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org






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    Dan Yefimov
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    Re: ICMP attacks against TCP: Conclusions

    On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Fernando Gont wrote:

    > Folks,
    >
    > My posts to this list have tried to show how easy it is to perform ICMP
    > attacks against TCP.
    >
    > The attacks are blind, so the attacker does not need to be a "man in the
    > middle" to perform then. The typical number of packets required to perform
    > any of these attacks is about 16000 (in many cases, the attacker requires
    > fewer packets). This means that even when a 128kbps link, it will take the
    > attacker much less than a minute to perform them.
    >

    [skip]
    ....
    > Big vendors' employees making misleading claims to the press have certainly
    > not helped to make people patch their systems, or push their vendors to
    > produce patches.
    >
    > Those guys that have started nonsensical discussions about whether this is
    > new or not have not helped, either. And have not realized that the
    > discussion should be whether "this is current", rather than whether "this
    > is new".
    >
    > I have received almost no feedback from "vendors". Unfortunately, they
    > don't realize that ICMP is a core protocol, and that discussion on the
    > counter-measures is needed for the benefit of us all.
    >
    > Last, but not least, the IETF specifications need to address these issues.
    > If vendors patch their systems, but the IETF specifications are not
    > updated, there's a high chance that there will be brand-new vulnerable
    > implementations in the near term.
    >
    > Get involved. Discuss the counter-measures. Get your vendor fix the
    > problems. And ask *how* they are fixing them (what if they just didn't
    > understand, and are not really protecting you, or causing more harm than
    > good?).
    >
    > And have the specs address these issues. That's the real and final fix for
    > these issues.
    >

    All we've heard from you are attack descriptions and claims for vendors to fix
    their OSes. It's easy to sit back and claim for others to do something. But
    what we haven't ever heard from you are YOUR personal opinions and proposals on
    fixing the problem. So what personally you propose?
    --

    Sincerely Your, Dan.


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    Damien Miller
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    Re: ICMP attacks against TCP: Conclusions

    On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Dan Yefimov wrote:

    > All we've heard from you are attack descriptions and claims for vendors
    > to fix their OSes. It's easy to sit back and claim for others to do
    > something. But what we haven't ever heard from you are YOUR personal
    > opinions and proposals on fixing the problem. So what personally you
    > propose?


    Read his draft. He has proposed solutions since the beginning.

    -d


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