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    3APA3A
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    Correction to latest Colsaire advisories


    Just to keep correctness.

    Colsaire could provide better service to it's customers by better
    researching available information on researched topic.

    Most of reported content filtering bypassing techniques are already
    known and described in [1] with credentials believed to be valid.

    MIME RFC2231 encoding issue - David F. Skoll
    MIME RFC2047 encoding issue - different authors (different problems were
    discovered, information from Colsaire advisory is not enough).
    Content-Transfer-Encoding mechanism issue - different authors
    MIME field multiple occurrence issue - 3APA3A
    MIME separator issue - 3APA3A
    MIME field whitespace issue - 3APA3A
    MIME RFC822 comment issue (at least partially) - 3APA3A

    There is also a _lot_ of different bypass techniques Colsaire failed to
    discover.


    [1] 3APA3A, Bypassing content filtering whitepaper
    http://www.security.nnov.ru/advisories/content.asp

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    Andreas Marx
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    Hello!

    > Just to keep correctness.


    .... and 3APA3A was not the only one who has discovered a high number of
    vulnerabilities.


    In 2002 we have started the so-called "Malformed Mail Project". You can
    find more information about this project at this website (look for "Virus
    Bulletin" papers):
    <http://www.av-test.org/sites/referen...s.php3?lang=en>


    *** Malformed Email Project, Virus Bulletin 11/2002
    <http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/arc.../malformed.xml>

    -> This paper includes a short description of the project we've started
    back in 04/2002. Mark Ackermans has created a testset which contains 370
    different malformed mails which several anti-virus and content scanner
    products were not able to handle properly. (At the moment, we have more
    than 400 different ones in our testset, only about 10% of them are publicly
    known yet!)

    NOTE: If you are a security company and do not have access to the testset
    yet, you can request a copy (at no charge). You can find more details in
    the article above (don't forget to read the NDA section included). Please
    use the mail addresses which are mentioned at <http://www.av-test.org> in
    the "About us" section only, do not reply to this address!


    *** Malformed Email Project - Part 2, Virus Bulletin 02/2003
    <http://www.av-test.org/sites/referen...s.php3?lang=en>

    -> This paper includes the reactions (e.g. released updates and
    work-arounds) from the notified companies. An incomplete list can be found
    below (read the article for more details):

    Amavis - A Mail Virus Scanner
    Astaro, Astaro Security
    Beginfinite, GWAVA for GroupWise
    Borderware, Mail Gateway/Mxtreme Firewall
    Cat Computer Systems, Quickheal
    Clearswift, Mimesweeper
    Command Software, Command AV
    Computer Associates, InoculateIT/eTrust AV
    Computerized Horizons, Declude Virus
    DataEnter, XWall
    Finjan, Surfin Gate
    Fortinet, Fortigate
    F-Secure, F-Secure Anti-Virus
    G Data, AntiVirenKit
    Gecad Software, Reliable AV
    GFI, MailSecurity/Mail essentials
    Gordano, Messaging Suite
    Grisoft, AVG
    Group Technologies, IQ Suite
    H+BEDV Datentechnik, AntiVir Mailgate
    IBM, Lotus Notes/Domino
    Ikarus Software, Virus Utilities
    Indefense, Maildefense
    Kaspersky Labs, Kaspersky AV
    Marshal Software, MailMarshal
    MessageLabs, SkyScan AV
    Microsoft, Exchange Server/ISA Server
    Microworld Technologies, eScan/Mailscan
    Mirapoint, Secure Messaging
    MKS, MKS_VIR
    Network Associates, Virusscan/Groupshield/Netshield etc.
    Norman, Virus Control
    Open Access, MailGate
    Panda Software, Panda AV
    Postini, Postini
    Softwin, Bitdefender
    Sonicwall, SonicWall
    Sophos, Mail Monitor
    Stalker, CommuniGate Pro
    Surfcontrol, Surfcontrol e-mail filter
    Sybari, Antigen
    Symantec, Norton AV/Symantec AV
    Trend Micro, InterScan/ScanMail etc.
    Vircom, VOP ModusGate/ModusMail
    VirusBuster, VirusBuster
    WatchGuard Technologies, WatchGuard
    Webwasher, Webwasher
    ZoneLabs, ZoneAlarm


    cheers,
    Andreas Marx

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    AV-Test GmbH, Klewitzstr. 7, 39112 Magdeburg, Germany
    Phone: +49 (0)391 6075466, <http://www.av-test.org>


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    > I presume that these are nine of the
    > "top 10 content providers".


    Actually, no. Our internal testing covered a limited collection of what we
    considered the most prevalent enterprise products. When it became clear that
    the issues were widespread, we brought NISCC in to coordinate passing out a
    set of canned test tools to all the MIME related vendors they could find
    (anecdotally, I think this was something like 100+).

    We obviously have the results of our own testing (which is where the stats
    come from), but the other vendors have been invited to make their own
    declaration as to the outcome of the test tools. Needless to say the
    statements provided so far are somewhat sparse; the only vendor from our
    original test set to make a statement is F-Secure.

    > I also note that Microsoft was not listed as a vendor that responded.
    > Were their products tested and if so what were the results?


    Yes, they were tested. Yes, they have chosen not to make a public statement.
    I personally don't know why this may be so. Perhaps you could ask them?

    The release model for these vulnerabilities has been the best compromise of
    what is a difficult situation. Releasing as individual advisories (or
    per-product clumps) was never going to be ideal; both because of the volume
    and because earlier public releases expose information about products that
    come later in the process. The solution chosen was to pick a date far-off in
    the future, to provide the vendors with all the information they needed to
    replicate the issues, and then to allow them to make their own public
    statements as to compliance. Effectively the same model as the SNMP issues
    from a few years ago.

    History may prove this not to be ideal, and a better model may be needed.

    Regards,
    Martin O'Neal




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    David Litchfield
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    RE: Correction to latest Colsaire advisories

    >The Corsaire research project produced test cases for around 200 working
    >attack vectors, that when passed through the top 10 content products
    >produced over 800 individual vulnerabilities (needless to point out that
    >there are a lot more than 10 products in this arena).


    Not wanting to quibble, but looking for clarification:

    The associated UNIRAS advisory
    (http://www.uniras.gov.uk/vuls/2004/380375/mime.htm) lists the responses
    from various vendors with regards to these issues. I presume that these are
    nine of the "top 10 content providers". Vendors include:

    Apple, F-Secure, Fujitsu, HP, IBM, MessageLabs, Mozilla and ripMIME.

    Only ripMIME and F-Secure (Server products affected, workstation products
    fine) claim to have been found wanting. The remainder clearly state that
    their products, when put through the test suite, were _not_ found to be
    vulnerable.

    How does this translate to the figures you're talking about? I ask this to
    better understand the risk. Is this something everything else should be
    dropped for and this prioritized? From the UNIRAS advisory I'd assume not,
    unless of course you use F-secure servers or ripMIME, and, at the moment, it
    all seems a bit like a storm in a teacup.

    I also note that Microsoft was not listed as a vendor that responded. Were
    their products tested and if so what were the results?

    Cheers,
    David Litchfield
    NGSSoftware Ltd
    http://www.nextgenss.com/
    http://www.databasesecurity.com/
    +44(0)1334 470 027









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    RE: Correction to latest Colsaire advisories


    # This has been re-sent several times in the last week, but for whatever
    reason, my email hasn't been getting to the bugtraq list.

    > I presume that these are nine of the
    > "top 10 content providers".


    Actually, no. Our internal testing covered a limited collection of what we
    considered the most prevalent enterprise products. When it became clear that
    the issues were widespread, we brought NISCC in to coordinate passing out a
    set of canned test tools to all the MIME related vendors they could find
    (anecdotally, I think this was something like 100+).

    We obviously have the results of our own testing (which is where the stats
    come from), but the other vendors have been invited to make their own
    declaration as to the outcome of the test tools. Needless to say the
    statements provided so far are somewhat sparse; the only vendor from our
    original test set to make a statement is F-Secure.

    > I also note that Microsoft was not listed as a vendor that responded.
    > Were their products tested and if so what were the results?


    Yes, they were tested. Yes, they have chosen not to make a public statement.
    I personally don't know why this may be so. Perhaps you could ask them?

    The release model for these vulnerabilities has been the best compromise of
    what is a difficult situation. Releasing as individual advisories (or
    per-product clumps) was never going to be ideal; both because of the volume
    and because earlier public releases expose information about products that
    come later in the process. The solution chosen was to pick a date far-off in
    the future, to provide the vendors with all the information they needed to
    replicate the issues, and then to allow them to make their own public
    statements as to compliance. Effectively the same model as the SNMP issues
    from a few years ago.

    History may prove this not to be ideal, and a better model may be needed.

    Regards,
    Martin O'Neal




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