Likes: 
Mishearing the voices in his head, Eureka uttered:
> Sure they love you, just don't meet the admins and the managers alone in
> an alley. (btw: internal people who give you right are probally not the
> educated ones within an organisation, and I don't think they make the
> official policy)
He meets many of those managers and sysadmins both on the Internet and
IRL. You don't seem to know what you are talking about.
> Because a moron like you is complaining about an ISP whom users should
> be filling the usenet with garbage.
> But if you see how much garbage you are generating and see that you
> alone have filled up 50% of the complete collection of Tiscali.nl
> postings in the nl.* domain.... then people should get a small hint....
Where do you get these figures? What do you mean?
>> > Can their be an UDP for *megabot.nl, *mobach.nl and the name Mendel
> Mobach?
>>
>> Why should there be an UDP? Is there any proof of a stupid abusedesk on
> those
>> domains?
>
> No just moron with a small view on the world.
You are entitled to your opinion, but please back it up with some actual
evidence.
> I am complaining about the fact that you and those domains are the
> origin of allot of postings that seem to be garbage to most of the
> people. Allot of complains about ISP's, but the facts show that you and
> those domains are responsable for more usenet traffic then the
> complaints about posting from accussed ISP's.
Would you like to elaborate on this? Even after several readings I still
don't understand what you are trying to say.
Are you trying to say that more postings come from his domains then there
are complaints about Tiscali? Gee, maybe he uses his domains. There are
also more postings from the xs4all domain than there are complaints about
tiscali, are you implying that xs4all consists of morons?
Or are you talking about his cancel messages? In that case you should
really learn how usenet works.
Whatever you are complaining about, I cannot see any relevance to the case
at hand.
>> > Mendel it suits you to call for an UDP on those domains, then we
>> > would really trust your judgement.
>>
>> Who is 'we' in this case?
>
> Just the community that did background check based on facts.
Which community? You doing two google searches and misinterpreting what
you saw? Or are others really involved. Up till now, you show no evidence
of any clue whatsoever, so for the moment, I'll assume you mean yourself.
> Who are you ?
> "You don't understand us" I rather not !! If constructive dialog with
> "us" ends in blackmail, then you should be learned a lesson.
You call it blackmail. It is not. Tiscali is the bad neighbour that shits
all over the street. If they don't want to talk about it, we clean up the
shit ourselves.
> Don't you wonder why there are so little people supporting you ? Don't
> think that the few people that support your 'great ideas' and your
> 'ethical' feelings are shared by the majority of internet users.
Please back this up.
> more then 50% -of the 8 million- users don't even know what usenet is,
So they are irrelevant to this discussion.
> of those who know probally some 10% use it on a regullar basis. And of
> those -seriously- using the usenet probally 0,01% is share your thoughts
> about how ' your' usenet should look like.
Oh, you really know what you are talking about now. Those figures mean
shit. If you want to talk about this, let's talk about the users of
usenet. All others are plain irrelevant, so why drag them into this.
From those, the ones that really have any stake in this matter are the
Tiscali users and those that suffer under the abuse coming from Tiscali.
The second group is much larger than the first group.
But even then, it is irrelevant. I drive a car, but I don't know all the
technical details of both my car and the infrastructure I drive on. I
don't care. Why should people have to care how the usenet infrastructure
works? As long as it works. People like Mendel make it work. Providers
like Tiscali kill it.
It /is/ very relevant to all other providers who have to bear the burden
of Tiscali. If they did not agree, an UDP would be a snowball in hell, it
would melt in a microsecond.
> So open your eyes, and get a life.
Mendel has a life, thank you very much.
> Just ask people who do have a life -such as Sabri- how you also can
> become someone, and be respected for what you achieve, don't become a
I wonder how Sabri thinks about this?
> blackmailling criminal, who is going to faces charges, -and if we are
> lucky- a prison sentence.
Broehahahahaha. You really know what you are talking about don't you?
There is nothing illegal going on here. Free hint: do some reading up
about how usenet works, UDPs in general and this UDP in particular.
> for people still reading this nonsens some facts:
Ah, facts at last, I was tiring a bit from your nonsense.
> Finding 18.000 postings while searching on "mendel mobach" in nl.* tree
> http://www.google.nl/groups?as_epq=m...nl.*&lr=&hl=nl
>
> Finding 42.000 posting while searching on tiscali.nl in the nl.* tree
> http://www.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr...=Google+zoeken
So? What are you trying to say here?
> In the Netherlands we have saying: "De pot verwijt de ketel dat hij
> zwart ziet" which means something like: "Do not say someone else is
> wrong if you are not seeing yourself going wrong".
You are implying that Mendel has made himself guilty of spamming, rogue
canceling, forgeries, flooding, etc, etc. He has not. Tiscali makes these
practices possible, that is what this UDP is about.
> Besides this fact, people should boycot Mendel * friends and those
> domains, he is not a part of the Dutch internet infrastructure, he is
> just a big consumer.
Yes, usenet runs on a lot of volunteers, ISPs depend on those.
> And he consumes 50% of what all tiscali customers are consuming
> together. (yeah, people can 'spoof' domain name etc...etc.., but then
> again look at the BIG picture)
Excuse me? Can you back that up? The google searches you posted above
search for something quite different. But even if it were true, it is
completely irrelevant. This is not about bandwith. This is about Tiscali
not acting on abuse.
> I think that he should pay for the traffic he generated. ISP's should be
He does.
> thinking about a businessmodel wherin people and organisation that are
> consuming allot of bandwith with their 'hobbies' should pay for the
> costs. At this moment we all pay for postings like this, in fact ISP's,
> who people like Mendel want to blackmail, are paying and facilitating
> this kind of services.
> Even if Tiscali Netherland didn't have a news server, newsfeeds towards
> their customers -over their backbone- and customers connecting to other
> newsservers is paid for and facilitated by Tiscali.
If Mendel and others did not cancel spam, your ISP would have to charge a
higher fee because of all the needed extra bandwidth and hardware. SO
again you show that you have no clue what you are talking about.
> I am not an (former) employee of Tiscali, I don't even like the idea
> that internet is fully commercialized, and that any moron can get online
> (read: mendel) but some people posting in the last few years in
> nl.internet.* are just so blind.
You just proved it.
HTH
M4
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