Onderwerp: Re: UDP for tiscali.nl

"Mendel Mobach" <usenet@megabot.nl> schreef in bericht
news:slrnbm132n.tce.usenet@dolens.mobach.nl...
> From: Path [...]!news.tiscali.nl a steady stream of junk is hurled
> into nl.*. It consists of spam, forgeries, rogue (fake) 3rd party
> cancels and other junk.


Get a life, ISP's should sue people like Mendel for blackmailling them.

btw: do a search on google to find out who does more harm on the nl.* part
of usenet tiscali.nl or Mendel and be suprised.

Can their be an UDP for *megabot.nl, *mobach.nl and the name Mendel Mobach?

Mendel it suits you to call for an UDP on those domains, then we would
really trust your judgement.


gtx,
Eureka
btw: in the big peoples world, people tend to start a contructive dialog,
untill you understand this, go and find a clue.

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Eureka <hack_nl@mail.mail.hotmail.com>
in nl.internet.misbruik tot het schrijven van:
>> From: Path [...]!news.tiscali.nl a steady stream of junk is hurled
>> into nl.*. It consists of spam, forgeries, rogue (fake) 3rd party
>> cancels and other junk.
>
>
> Get a life, ISP's should sue people like Mendel for blackmailling them.

I don't think so. Most ISP like my action. And some internal people at tiscali
do also.

> btw: do a search on google to find out who does more harm on the nl.* part
> of usenet tiscali.nl or Mendel and be suprised.

I'm not suprised, but why are you?

> Can their be an UDP for *megabot.nl, *mobach.nl and the name Mendel Mobach?

Why should there be an UDP? Is there any proof of a stupid abusedesk on those
domains?

> Mendel it suits you to call for an UDP on those domains, then we would
> really trust your judgement.

Who is 'we' in this case?

> btw: in the big peoples world, people tend to start a contructive dialog,
> untill you understand this, go and find a clue.

You don't understand us: We tried to start a contructive dialog for about
4 months or longer. If tiscali pretents to be dead we always want to help
a bit.

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"Mendel Mobach" <usenet@megabot.nl> schreef in bericht

> I don't think so. Most ISP like my action. And some internal people at
tiscali
> do also.

Sure they love you, just don't meet the admins and the managers alone in an
alley. (btw: internal people who give you right are probally not the
educated ones within an organisation, and I don't think they make the
official policy)

>
> > btw: do a search on google to find out who does more harm on the nl.*
part
> > of usenet tiscali.nl or Mendel and be suprised.
>
> I'm not suprised, but why are you?

Because a moron like you is complaining about an ISP whom users should be
filling the usenet with garbage.
But if you see how much garbage you are generating and see that you alone
have filled up 50% of the complete collection of Tiscali.nl postings in the
nl.* domain.... then people should get a small hint....


> > Can their be an UDP for *megabot.nl, *mobach.nl and the name Mendel
Mobach?
>
> Why should there be an UDP? Is there any proof of a stupid abusedesk on
those
> domains?

No just moron with a small view on the world.

I am complaining about the fact that you and those domains are the origin of
allot of postings that seem to be garbage to most of the people.
Allot of complains about ISP's, but the facts show that you and those
domains are responsable for more usenet traffic then the complaints about
posting from accussed ISP's.


> > Mendel it suits you to call for an UDP on those domains, then we would
> > really trust your judgement.
>
> Who is 'we' in this case?

Just the community that did background check based on facts.

> > btw: in the big peoples world, people tend to start a contructive
dialog,
> > untill you understand this, go and find a clue.
>
> You don't understand us: We tried to start a contructive dialog for about
> 4 months or longer. If tiscali pretents to be dead we always want to help
> a bit.

Who are you ?
"You don't understand us" I rather not !!
If constructive dialog with "us" ends in blackmail, then you should be
learned a lesson.

Don't you wonder why there are so little people supporting you ? Don't think
that the few people that support your 'great ideas' and your 'ethical'
feelings are shared by the majority of internet users.

more then 50% -of the 8 million- users don't even know what usenet is, of
those who know probally some 10% use it on a regullar basis.
And of those -seriously- using the usenet probally 0,01% is share your
thoughts about how ' your' usenet should look like.

So open your eyes, and get a life.

Just ask people who do have a life -such as Sabri- how you also can become
someone, and be respected for what you achieve, don't become a blackmailling
criminal, who is going to faces charges, -and if we are lucky- a prison
sentence.

gtx,

Eureka.

for people still reading this nonsens some facts:

Finding 18.000 postings while searching on "mendel mobach" in nl.* tree
http://www.google.nl/groups?as_epq=m...nl.*&lr=&hl=nl

Finding 42.000 posting while searching on tiscali.nl in the nl.* tree
http://www.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr...=Google+zoeken

In the Netherlands we have saying: "De pot verwijt de ketel dat hij zwart
ziet" which means something like: "Do not say someone else is wrong if you
are not seeing yourself going wrong".

Besides this fact, people should boycot Mendel * friends and those domains,
he is not a part of the Dutch internet infrastructure, he is just a big
consumer.
And he consumes 50% of what all tiscali customers are consuming together.
(yeah, people can 'spoof' domain name etc...etc.., but then again look at
the BIG picture)
I think that he should pay for the traffic he generated. ISP's should be
thinking about a businessmodel wherin people and organisation that are
consuming allot of bandwith with their 'hobbies' should pay for the costs.
At this moment we all pay for postings like this, in fact ISP's, who people
like Mendel want to blackmail, are paying and facilitating this kind of
services.
Even if Tiscali Netherland didn't have a news server, newsfeeds towards
their customers -over their backbone- and customers connecting to other
newsservers is paid for and facilitated by Tiscali.


I am not an (former) employee of Tiscali, I don't even like the idea that
internet is fully commercialized, and that any moron can get online (read:
mendel) but some people posting in the last few years in nl.internet.* are
just so blind.

Eureka <hack_nl@mail.mail.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VQi8b.19465$P03.4241272@amsnews02.chello.com. ..

> Sure they love you, just don't meet the admins and the managers alone in
an
> alley. (btw: internal people who give you right are probally not the
> educated ones within an organisation, and I don't think they make the
> official policy)

Well, judging by your English...

Tufke

"Eureka" <hack_nl@mail.mail.hotmail.com> schreef in
news:VQi8b.19465$P03.4241272@amsnews02.chello.com:

>
> "Mendel Mobach" <usenet@megabot.nl> schreef in bericht
>
>> I don't think so. Most ISP like my action. And some internal people
>> at
> tiscali
>> do also.
>
> Sure they love you, just don't meet the admins and the managers alone
> in an alley. (btw: internal people who give you right are probally not
> the educated ones within an organisation, and I don't think they make
> the official policy)
>
>>
>> > btw: do a search on google to find out who does more harm on the
>> > nl.*
> part
>> > of usenet tiscali.nl or Mendel and be suprised.
>>
>> I'm not suprised, but why are you?
>
> Because a moron like you is complaining about an ISP whom users should
> be filling the usenet with garbage.

No he is complaining that they are filling the usenet with garbage. The
problem is that they shouldn't do that.

> But if you see how much garbage you are generating and see that you
> alone have filled up 50% of the complete collection of Tiscali.nl
> postings in the nl.* domain.... then people should get a small
> hint....
>
You could not be more wrong.
>
> for people still reading this nonsens some facts:
>
> Finding 18.000 postings while searching on "mendel mobach" in nl.*
> tree
> http://www.google.nl/groups?as_epq=m...-8&oe=UTF-8&as
> _ugroup=nl.*&lr=&hl=nl

And what does that mean? There are 18.900 postings with the string "Mendel
Mobach" in it. If you are suggesting that he did 18.900 postings, you are
wrong.

> Finding 42.000 posting while searching on tiscali.nl in the nl.* tree
> http://www.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr...=tiscali.nl+gr
> oup%3Anl.*&btnG=Google+zoeken

There are 42.000 postings where people complain about tiscali?

And the relation between these figures is?

Maybe you should practice more in google.

Ruitenheer

Ruitenheer <verburch@hetnet.wl> wrote in message
newsns93F496030213ruitenhiryahoocom@62.45.52.244...

> Maybe you should practice more in google.

And in statistics :-)

Tufke

Eureka (hack_nl@mail.mail.hotmail.com) schreef:
> for people still reading this nonsens some facts:
>
> Finding 18.000 postings while searching on "mendel mobach" in nl.* tree
> http://www.google.nl/groups?as_epq=m...nl.*&lr=&hl=nl

So there's 10.000 postings about or referring to Mendel Mobach. There's
4700 postings about or referring to me. Your point being? I'm not a rogue
canceller, I don't crosspost excessively, and I even think I'm not a very
active participant in (nl.*) usenet. I don't see the "evidence value" in this.

> Finding 42.000 posting while searching on tiscali.nl in the nl.* tree
> http://www.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr...=Google+zoeken

So there's 42000 postings mentioning "tiscali.nl". This has absolutely
no relevance to the amount of postings (or even worse, rogue cancels) by
tiscali.nl customers, but you knew that I guess?

> In the Netherlands we have saying: "De pot verwijt de ketel dat hij zwart
> ziet" which means something like: "Do not say someone else is wrong if you
> are not seeing yourself going wrong".

In all other countries, there's a saying similiar to "Unless you know
what you're talking about, keep your big mouth shut".

> Besides this fact, people should boycot Mendel * friends and those domains,
> he is not a part of the Dutch internet infrastructure, he is just a big
> consumer.

And you are... ?

> And he consumes 50% of what all tiscali customers are consuming together.

Oh?

Your cluelessness amazes me.

> (yeah, people can 'spoof' domain name etc...etc.., but then again look at
> the BIG picture)

the "BIG" picture doesn't show at all in your "research". In fact, your
"research" shows very little. If anything, it shows that google has roughly
42000 messages about people whining over tiscali.nl abuse.

> I am not an (former) employee of Tiscali, I don't even like the idea that
> internet is fully commercialized, and that any moron can get online (read:
> mendel) but some people posting in the last few years in nl.internet.* are
> just so blind.

And some people, like you, may not be blind, but are still blinded by the
*huge* billboard in front of their head.

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nl.internet.misbruik, "Eureka" <hack_nl@mail.mail.hotmail.com>
carved:

>any moron can get online

Like you, obviousley.

christinA eijkhout

In article <VQi8b.19465$P03.4241272@amsnews02.chello.com>, Eureka wrote:
>
> "Mendel Mobach" <usenet@megabot.nl> schreef in bericht
>
>> I don't think so. Most ISP like my action. And some internal people at
> tiscali
>> do also.
>
> Sure they love you, just don't meet the admins and the managers alone in an
> alley. (btw: internal people who give you right are probally not the
> educated ones within an organisation, and I don't think they make the
> official policy)

En wat vond Marcel Swinkels van Eureka, doen hij hem tegenkwam?

62.194.81.111

http://groups.google.com/groups?thre...t.nl.linux.org

Groetjes,
joostje

"Joost Witteveen" <joostje@foko.komputilo.org> schreef in bericht
news:slrnbm3ig6.6bf.joostje@foko.komputilo.org...
> En wat vond Marcel Swinkels van Eureka, doen hij hem tegenkwam?
>
> 62.194.81.111
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?thre...t.nl.linux.org
>

RFC2131 try secs field.

Eureka schreef:

> for people still reading this nonsens some facts:
>
> Finding 18.000 postings while searching on "mendel
> mobach" in nl.* tree
>
http://www.google.nl/groups?as_epq=m...bach&ie=UTF-8&
oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=nl.*&lr=&hl=nl
>
> Finding 42.000 posting while searching on tiscali.nl in
> the nl.* tree
>
http://www.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr...&oe=UTF-8&q=ti
scali.nl+group%3Anl.*&btnG=Google+zoeken


Finding 133.000 postings while searching on "fuck" in nl.*
tree
http://www.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr...&oe=UTF-8&q=fu
ck+group%3Anl.*

Whats ur point?



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Eureka <hack_nl@mail.mail.hotmail.com>
in nl.internet.misbruik tot het schrijven van:
>
> "Mendel Mobach" <usenet@megabot.nl> schreef in bericht
>
>> I don't think so. Most ISP like my action. And some internal people at
> tiscali

[fix your quotes please...]

>> do also.
>
> Sure they love you, just don't meet the admins and the managers alone in an
> alley.> (btw: internal people who give you right are probally not the
> educated ones within an organisation, and I don't think they make the
> official policy)

I think the "Tiscali BV Site Security and Internet Abuse Team" does.

If you don't know what you're talking about please shut up.

>> > btw: do a search on google to find out who does more harm on the nl.* part
>> > of usenet tiscali.nl or Mendel and be suprised.
>>
>> I'm not suprised, but why are you?
>
> Because a moron like you is complaining about an ISP whom users should be
> filling the usenet with garbage.
> But if you see how much garbage you are generating and see that you alone
> have filled up 50% of the complete collection of Tiscali.nl postings in the
> nl.* domain.... then people should get a small hint....

You didn't search in the path header, in control.roguecancels and much more.

>> > Can their be an UDP for *megabot.nl, *mobach.nl and the name Mendel Mobach?
>>
>> Why should there be an UDP? Is there any proof of a stupid abusedesk on those
>> domains?
>
> No just moron with a small view on the world.

You call me moron, but you are just an anonymous croward. Just tell me your name
and stop bullshitting.

> I am complaining about the fact that you and those domains are the origin of
> allot of postings that seem to be garbage to most of the people.
> Allot of complains about ISP's, but the facts show that you and those
> domains are responsable for more usenet traffic then the complaints about
> posting from accussed ISP's.

You don't know what you're talking about. My newsserver does sometimes 30 postings
a day outgoing. Tiscale has some users who do way more. If you don't know how to
search please shut up and disappear.

>> > Mendel it suits you to call for an UDP on those domains, then we would
>> > really trust your judgement.
>>
>> Who is 'we' in this case?
>
> Just the community that did background check based on facts.

Who are "that community" some rogue cancel people? Some other stupid people who
don't know statistics and how to read them?

>> > btw: in the big peoples world, people tend to start a contructive dialog,
>> > untill you understand this, go and find a clue.
>>
>> You don't understand us: We tried to start a contructive dialog for about
>> 4 months or longer. If tiscali pretents to be dead we always want to help
>> a bit.
>
> Who are you ?

I'm the one who initiated a UDP for tiscali.nl *with* the support of much
newsadmins in the netherlands.

> "You don't understand us" I rather not !!
> If constructive dialog with "us" ends in blackmail, then you should be
> learned a lesson.

If you see a UDP as blackmail you should go back to school, and stay there.

> Don't you wonder why there are so little people supporting you ?

I see almost 3 users against me: You, the rogue cancel Ruby and OJ. (In this
case). Ohw yeah, we've got some wannabee newsadmins likes guusie... who
runs a troll and rogue cancel server behind hccnet.

> Don't think
> that the few people that support your 'great ideas' and your 'ethical'
> feelings are shared by the majority of internet users.

Users don't matter. It's something between newsadmins. Are you a newsadmin?
No? Than shut the f-word up and stay in your little computerworld.

> more then 50% -of the 8 million- users don't even know what usenet is, of
> those who know probally some 10% use it on a regullar basis.

You intreviewed 4 million users? Whow... great... cool..

> And of those -seriously- using the usenet probally 0,01% is share your
> thoughts about how ' your' usenet should look like.

Yeah yeah yeah, stop telling that bullshit; rather tell me how you found
out these 'facts'. Your opinion isn't a fact.

> So open your eyes, and get a life.

I have a life.

> Just ask people who do have a life -such as Sabri- how you also can become
> someone, and be respected for what you achieve, don't become a blackmailling
> criminal, who is going to faces charges, -and if we are lucky- a prison
> sentence.

I'm talking to sabri soo much... And BTW: Sabri is one of the supporters
in this case. He was only complaining about the slowness of our action.


> for people still reading this nonsens some facts:
>
> Finding 18.000 postings while searching on "mendel mobach" in nl.* tree
> http://www.google.nl/groups?as_epq=m...nl.*&lr=&hl=nl

So what? 10.000 postings of my hand and 800 refering to me. And?

> Finding 42.000 posting while searching on tiscali.nl in the nl.* tree
> http://www.google.nl/groups?hl=nl&lr...=Google+zoeken
>
> In the Netherlands we have saying: "De pot verwijt de ketel dat hij zwart
> ziet" which means something like: "Do not say someone else is wrong if you
> are not seeing yourself going wrong".

Learn how google works, go back to the first year of school and learn something
about statistics.

> Besides this fact, people should boycot Mendel * friends and those domains,
> he is not a part of the Dutch internet infrastructure, he is just a big
> consumer.

I'm part of the infrastructure. Just do your homework.

> And he consumes 50% of what all tiscali customers are consuming together.
> (yeah, people can 'spoof' domain name etc...etc.., but then again look at
> the BIG picture)

I don't. Just learn to use google.

> I think that he should pay for the traffic he generated. ISP's should be
> thinking about a businessmodel wherin people and organisation that are
> consuming allot of bandwith with their 'hobbies' should pay for the costs.
> At this moment we all pay for postings like this, in fact ISP's, who people
> like Mendel want to blackmail, are paying and facilitating this kind of
> services.
> Even if Tiscali Netherland didn't have a news server, newsfeeds towards
> their customers -over their backbone- and customers connecting to other
> newsservers is paid for and facilitated by Tiscali.
>
>
> I am not an (former) employee of Tiscali, I don't even like the idea that
> internet is fully commercialized, and that any moron can get online (read:
> mendel) but some people posting in the last few years in nl.internet.* are
> just so blind.

Are you taking it really personal? Who are you?[1]

MVGRMM(F)
[1]: again: Anonymous croward. (In dutch: "Anonieme laffaard").

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Mendel Mobach skrev i meddelandet
<slrnbm3m15.ul.usenet@dolens.mobach.nl> :

> Ohw yeah, we've got some wannabee newsadmins likes guusie... who
>runs a troll and rogue cancel server behind hccnet.

This has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the Tiscali UDP.
Fighting your personal war like this weakens your whole line of
reasoning.

Besides, why are you wasting so much time replying to this Eureka-guy
anyway?

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Eureka wrote:
>
> "Mendel Mobach" <usenet@megabot.nl> schreef in bericht

Just some citations from this anonymous coward :

> Because a moron like you ...
^^^^^
> If constructive dialog with "us" ends in blackmail, ...
^^^^^^^^^
> Don't you wonder why there are so little people supporting you ? Don't think
> that the few people that support your 'great ideas' and your 'ethical'
> feelings are shared by the majority of internet users.
^^^^^^^^
> Just ask people who do have a life -such as Sabri- how you also can become
> someone, and be respected for what you achieve, don't become a blackmailling
> criminal, who is going to faces charges, -and if we are lucky- a prison
^^^^^^^
You just show you're missing a basic understanding of what the internet
is. That's the nice wording, and I'll not use the badmouthing terms
(moron) you're used to.

It's not blackmail, it's about other newsadmins not wanting to receive
and transport the abusive messages coming from Tiscali. Their servers,
their rules. The majority of users are not in the possession of
newsservers and thus have no vote. No democracy on the internet, it's
about private property.

To add insult to injury, this is your second cartooney. Let me tell you,
start your legal action and let us (tinu) laugh.
--
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Systemhouse Mobach bv - The Netherlands - since 1976
website : http://fred.mobach.nl
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keys at the right time and the instrument plays itself. - J.S. Bach

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Tufke <tufkar@wanadoo.nl>
in nl.internet.misbruik tot het schrijven van:
> Mendel Mobach skrev i meddelandet
><slrnbm3m15.ul.usenet@dolens.mobach.nl> :
>
>> Ohw yeah, we've got some wannabee newsadmins likes guusie... who
>>runs a troll and rogue cancel server behind hccnet.
>
> This has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the Tiscali UDP.
> Fighting your personal war like this weakens your whole line of
> reasoning.

I was only giving an example of people who are against this UDP.

I don't try to figth a personal war, I still accept messages from
that server.

> Besides, why are you wasting so much time replying to this Eureka-guy
> anyway?

Why not? I just finished my work :-)

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