kunnen jullie www.bitscope.com zien?

[Bart van Deenen]

Hallo allen

bitscope is een Australisch bedrijf, met servers in Australie, en op de
een of andere manier kan ik vanuit mijn Universiteit van Amsterdam
account hun site altijd prima zien, en vanuit mijn thuis chello account
in Purmerend niet.

Bij de helpdesk van upc/chello kunnen ze de site ook niet zien.

Ik wou graag wat informatie verzamelen over wie nou wel en niet die site
kan zien. Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naar www.bitscope.com kunnen
surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes
and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen melden welke ISP je gebruikt,
en of het goed ging of niet.

Bedankt alvast

Bart

[Maan]

"Bart van Deenen" <bart@vandeenensupport-com.invalid> schreef in bericht
news:1i0bazn.a001cpe2frlmN%bart@vandeenensupport-com.invalid...
> Hallo allen
>
> bitscope is een Australisch bedrijf, met servers in Australie, en op de
> een of andere manier kan ik vanuit mijn Universiteit van Amsterdam
> account hun site altijd prima zien, en vanuit mijn thuis chello account
> in Purmerend niet.
>
> Bij de helpdesk van upc/chello kunnen ze de site ook niet zien.
>
> Ik wou graag wat informatie verzamelen over wie nou wel en niet die site
> kan zien. Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naar www.bitscope.com kunnen
> surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes
> and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen melden welke ISP je gebruikt,
> en of het goed ging of niet.
>
> Bedankt alvast
>
> Bart

Gaat prima met planet abo

[Chris Laarman]

Bart van Deenen (bart@vandeenensupport-com.invalid) in
1i0bazn.a001cpe2frlmN%bart@vandeenensupport-com.invalid:

> Ik wou graag wat informatie verzamelen over wie nou wel en niet die
> site kan zien. Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naar
> www.bitscope.com kunnen surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site
> "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen
> melden welke ISP je gebruikt, en of het goed ging of niet.

Ik kan die site wel op, met Orange.

--
Chris Laarman

[Hans]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:17:36 +0200, "Maan" <maandrager_weghalen_@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> bitscope is een Australisch bedrijf, met servers in Australie, en op de
>> een of andere manier kan ik vanuit mijn Universiteit van Amsterdam
>> account hun site altijd prima zien, en vanuit mijn thuis chello account
>> in Purmerend niet.
>> Bij de helpdesk van upc/chello kunnen ze de site ook niet zien.

>> Ik wou graag wat informatie verzamelen over wie nou wel en niet die site
>> kan zien. Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naar www.bitscope.com kunnen
>> surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes
>> and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen melden welke ISP je gebruikt,
>> en of het goed ging of niet.

> Gaat prima met planet abo

xs4all ook.

--
Constant change is here to stay..

[Bart Dinnissen]

Bart van Deenen schreef op Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:14:26 +0200:

>Hallo allen
>
>bitscope is een Australisch bedrijf, met servers in Australie, en op de
>een of andere manier kan ik vanuit mijn Universiteit van Amsterdam
>account hun site altijd prima zien, en vanuit mijn thuis chello account
>in Purmerend niet.
>
>Bij de helpdesk van upc/chello kunnen ze de site ook niet zien.
>
>Ik wou graag wat informatie verzamelen over wie nou wel en niet die site
>kan zien. Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naar www.bitscope.com kunnen
>surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes
>and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen melden welke ISP je gebruikt,
>en of het goed ging of niet.

Ik heb een Chello-abonnement in de regio Arnhem en bij mij wordt de site
*niet* geladen.

--
Bart

I was working on the proof of one of my poems all the morning, and took out
a comma. In the afternoon I put it back again.
- Oscar Wilde

[Koos Evers]

Hans schreef:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:17:36 +0200, "Maan" <maandrager_weghalen_@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> bitscope is een Australisch bedrijf, met servers in Australie, en op de
>>> een of andere manier kan ik vanuit mijn Universiteit van Amsterdam
>>> account hun site altijd prima zien, en vanuit mijn thuis chello account
>>> in Purmerend niet.
>>> Bij de helpdesk van upc/chello kunnen ze de site ook niet zien.
>
>>> Ik wou graag wat informatie verzamelen over wie nou wel en niet die site
>>> kan zien. Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naar www.bitscope.com kunnen
>>> surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes
>>> and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen melden welke ISP je gebruikt,
>>> en of het goed ging of niet.
>
>> Gaat prima met planet abo
>
> xs4all ook.
>
Tele2 ook.

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=ABJos=BB?=]

Bart van Deenen schreef:
> Hallo allen
>
> bitscope is een Australisch bedrijf, met servers in Australie, en op de
> een of andere manier kan ik vanuit mijn Universiteit van Amsterdam
> account hun site altijd prima zien, en vanuit mijn thuis chello account
> in Purmerend niet.
>
> Bij de helpdesk van upc/chello kunnen ze de site ook niet zien.
>
> Ik wou graag wat informatie verzamelen over wie nou wel en niet die site
> kan zien. Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naar www.bitscope.com kunnen
> surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes
> and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen melden welke ISP je gebruikt,
> en of het goed ging of niet.
>
> Bedankt alvast
>
> Bart

Met Casema gaat het prima.

--
Met vriendelijke groet, «Jos»

[OS Phobia]

In article <1i0bazn.a001cpe2frlmN%bart@vandeenensupport-com.invalid>,
Bart van Deenen says...
> Bij de helpdesk van upc/chello kunnen ze de site ook niet zien.
>
Vroeger toen ik bij chello zat zagen ze daar per definitie niets. Maar
dat kan veranderd zijn..

> Als het goed is krijg je een site "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes
> and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen melden welke ISP je gebruikt,
> en of het goed ging of niet.
>
Goed, hier Tiscali.

--
Saluut!

[Klaas]

"Bart van Deenen" <bart@vandeenensupport-com.invalid> schreef in
bericht news:1i0bazn.a001cpe2frlmN%bart@vandeenensupport-com.invalid
> Hallo allen
>
> bitscope is een Australisch bedrijf, met servers in Australie, en op
> de een of andere manier kan ik vanuit mijn Universiteit van Amsterdam
> account hun site altijd prima zien, en vanuit mijn thuis chello
> account in Purmerend niet.
>
> Bij de helpdesk van upc/chello kunnen ze de site ook niet zien.
>
> Ik wou graag wat informatie verzamelen over wie nou wel en niet die
> site kan zien. Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naar
> www.bitscope.com kunnen surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site
> "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen
> melden welke ISP je gebruikt, en of het goed ging of niet.
>
> Bedankt alvast
>
> Bart

@Home als een speer !

[R.M.]

"Bart van Deenen"

schreef in bericht

> Hallo allen
>
> Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naar www.bitscope.com kunnen
> surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes
> and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen melden welke ISP je gebruikt,
> en of het goed ging of niet.
>
> Bedankt alvast
>
> Bart

Met TweakDSL geen probleem.

Groet, Ricardo.

[JandeBehanger.]

In nieuwsgroep:f5rkcp$6pr$1@news1.zwoll1.ov.home.nl,
Klaas <KlaasNOSPAM@NOSPAM.eu> met de brakke nieuws server van @home
gepost:
> "Bart van Deenen" <bart@vandeenensupport-com.invalid> schreef in
> bericht news:1i0bazn.a001cpe2frlmN%bart@vandeenensupport-com.invalid
>> Hallo allen
>>
>> bitscope is een Australisch bedrijf, met servers in Australie, en
op
>> de een of andere manier kan ik vanuit mijn Universiteit van
Amsterdam
>> account hun site altijd prima zien, en vanuit mijn thuis chello
>> account in Purmerend niet.
>>
>> Bij de helpdesk van upc/chello kunnen ze de site ook niet zien.
>>
>> Ik wou graag wat informatie verzamelen over wie nou wel en niet die
>> site kan zien. Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naar
>> www.bitscope.com kunnen surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site
>> "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan
kunnen
>> melden welke ISP je gebruikt, en of het goed ging of niet.
>>
>> Bedankt alvast
>>
>> Bart
>
> @Home als een speer !

Ook hier in Assen!
--
JandeBehanger.

[Raymond]

OS Phobia schreef:
> Goed, hier Tiscali.

*Sluit zich hier bij aan*

[=?ISO-8859-15?Q?EL_PI=D1O?=]

Bart van Deenen schreef:
(..)
> Ik wou graag wat informatie verzamelen over wie nou wel en niet die site
> kan zien. Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naar www.bitscope.com kunnen
> surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes
> and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen melden welke ISP je gebruikt,
> en of het goed ging of niet.

Hij doet het hier gewoon, ISP is Concepts ICT.

Wanneer jij naar die site gaat, wat krijg je dan wèl te zien? Een melding
dat de host niet bereikt kan worden bijvoorbeeld, of een andere pagina?

Naar welk IP-adres verwijst de site op de DNS-servers van Chello? Hier is
dat 61.8.0.61.

Je kunt dat checken door in de terminal (Programma's -> Hulpprogramma's)
host www.bitscope.com in te typen en vervolgens enter te drukken.

--
EP

[klimbart]

On Jun 27, 9:22 am, EL PIÑO <elp...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
> Bart van Deenen schreef:
> (..)
>
> > Ik wou graag wat informatie verzamelen over wie nou wel en niet die site
> > kan zien. Zou je als je wilt meewerken even naarwww.bitscope.comkunnen
> > surfen. Als het goed is krijg je een site "Bitscope = pc oscillosopes
> > and analyzers" te zien. Zou je dan kunnen melden welke ISP je gebruikt,
> > en of het goed ging of niet.
>
> Hij doet het hier gewoon, ISP is Concepts ICT.
>
> Wanneer jij naar die site gaat, wat krijg je dan wèl te zien? Een melding
> dat de host niet bereikt kan worden bijvoorbeeld, of een andere pagina?
>
> Naar welk IP-adres verwijst de site op de DNS-servers van Chello? Hier is
> dat 61.8.0.61.
>
> Je kunt dat checken door in de terminal (Programma's -> Hulpprogramma's)
> hostwww.bitscope.comin te typen en vervolgens enter te drukken.
>
Hoi

het is geen DNS probleem, maar waarschijnlijk zit er een http proxy
ergens bij UPC tussen. De bitscope site doet een redirect. Ik probeer
een communicatie op gang te krijgen tussen de bitscope lui en UPC, ik
weet er zelf niet zo veel van, maar ik heb wel toegang tot bitscope
nodig. Ik plak het meest recente mailtje van Bruce (van bitscope)
hieronder. Ik hoop het aan UPC en bitscope over te kunnen dragen,
misschien leest iemand van UPC deze thread, ik heb ze er via de
helpdesk wel naar verwezen.

Bedankt voor het meedenken.

Bart

g4:~$ nslookup www.bitscope.com
Server: 62.179.104.196
Address: 62.179.104.196#53

Non-authoritative answer:
www.bitscope.com canonical name = bitscope.com.
Name: bitscope.com
Address: 61.8.0.61

g4:~$ host www.bitscope.com
www.bitscope.com is an alias for bitscope.com.
bitscope.com has address 61.8.0.61
bitscope.com mail is handled by 10 mailin1.pacific.net.au.
bitscope.com mail is handled by 10 mailin2.pacific.net.au.


Mail van support@bitscope.com



From: support@bitscope.com
Subject: Re: [BS#420274006285] www.bitscope.com still no go
Date: 27 juni 2007 5:44:06 CEST
To: info@vandeenensupport.com

Hi bart

I think my guess (proxy problem) might be the cause here.

I've attached below the relevant excerpts of the server logs that
match your client end traces.

The interesting point to note is that in bitscope-doesnt-load.log
the client host appears to change from

e175078.upc-e.chello.nl

to

e144224.upc-e.chello.nl

at the very point at which access fails according to your trace.

This is not a problem; our website does not care what the client
IP address is *unless* HTTPS is used (because then it may indicate
a man in the middle attack on an SSL secured link).

None of this is SSL, so this is not relevant.

What *is* indicative is that the client browser identity changes from

"Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4)
Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.4 (Ubuntu-feisty)"

which matches your machine according to your logs, to:

"Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1;
.NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1)"

which is completely different and suggests they are proxying traffic
by aliasing the client browser when presenting access to the website
for data transactions (HTTP 200).

I note in earlier hits in this log that this occurs even when the IP
address does not change so this is definitely a consequence of a
proxy.

Again this would be benign (unless the browser identity they use is
a banned one, which it isn't in this case).

However, if in doing this their proxy knows nothing about the cookie
acquisition transaction that completed prior to the hand-over this
would explain the problem. Our web server would attempt to allocate
a new cookie which if not handled correctly by their proxy would break
access.

As far as I am aware, the preamble our website uses to assign a
session
cookie (or GET variable) to the client is bog standard. That it
appears
to trip up UPC's proxy mechanism is not clear to me on the basis of
the
information at hand so far.

You might like to refer the transcript of this email thread to UPC's
technical support to get their take on it. At the very least, ask them
to tell us which proxy server and algorithm they use for HTTP.

We're very keen to learn what is at the bottom of this. While you are
the first person to report this particular problem chances are if our
web server is doing something that trips up a particular proxy scheme
we may not know about it as potential visitors may simply presume we
do not exists :-(

Thanks for your helps here.

Best Regards,
Bruce Tulloch.
--
Bitscope Designs ph: +61 2 9436 2955
3/28 Chandos Street fax: +61 2 9436 3764
St Leonards NSW 2065 AUSTRALIA http://www.bitscope.com

Bart van Deenen <info@vandeenensupport.com> wrote:

Hi Bart,

Thanks for the detailed reply.

Comparing your two traces it looks like the bitscope website is
reached successfully in both cases; the redirection preamble that
assigns the session cookie or GET session is working but in the
broken case all traffic after that is blocked.

This is not a DNS problem, at least not as seen by your PC but...

Does UPC proxy its customers' HTTP packets? If they do and this is
misconfigured; for example if they hand-off the successful data
transactions (HTTP 200) to a different server which server and this
server is misconfigured or uses broken upstream DNS, this could
account for what your trace suggests.

We will dig through the server logs at this end using the session
IDs in these traces to see if we can match up these transactions
and work out whether there is something amiss at this end but at
this stage I doubt it.

PS: I've passed your other BitLib question to Alex as he is in a
better position to answer the BitLib specific questions you have.

Thanks again for the feedback (we'd like UPC other 999,999 customers
to be able to reach us too).

Best Regards,
Bruce Tulloch.
--
Bitscope Designs ph: +61 2 9436 2955
3/28 Chandos Street fax: +61 2 9436 3764
St Leonards NSW 2065 AUSTRALIA http://www.bitscope.com

Bart van Deenen <info@vandeenensupport.com> wrote:

Hi Bruce

On 26-jun-2007, at 5:53, BitScope Support wrote:
Indeed we are very concerned that you (or indeed anyone) should
have any difficulty reaching us at all.
Ok, let's work it out. I've just contacted the upc help desk, and
they, at their site can not access www.bitscope.com either,
although,
as for me the ping works fine. They are looking into it, they say.
I'm now asking at the usenet group nl.internet.providers if people
want to test your site, and post the result. See

http://groups.google.com/group/nl.in...browse_thread/
thread/526fb698dd9bba1a/9eb130c22091f0bc#9eb130c22091f0bc

The current score is that planet, xs4all and orange provider
customers have no trouble loading the site, and upc/chello customers
do. Xs4all is probably the most capable ISP in the world. UPC is
very
big, probably a million broadband customers in the Netherlands.

Based on our earlier email thread [BS#429069319222] you said
that chello's DNS always resolves www.bitscope.com:

g4:~$ nslookup www.bitscope.com
Server: 62.179.104.196
Address: 62.179.104.196#53

Non-authoritative answer:
www.bitscope.com canonical name = bitscope.com.
Name: bitscope.com
Address: 61.8.0.61
Still the same, no problem. The university computer, using different
DNS servers resolves to the same ip address.

That being the case, we'll work on the assumption that there is
no DNS resolution problem here but instead something is amiss at
the HTTP level.
I agree

We run two "linked" domains:

bitscope.com

bitscope.net

each of which has an associated www host (eg, www.bitscope.com).

Both websites are clones of each other but "com" version runs on
a high bandwidth shared server for public access whereas the "net"
version runs on a secured lower bandwidth server.

Note: our "net" server is secured to protect our customers personal
order and payment information *not* to prevent access to any of our
published information.

Each domains is (for redundancy reasons) hosted on a completely
different machine each with a different DNS server and routed
via different physical networks.

When you visit any public page on the net website, it redirects
your web browser to the equivalent page our com website *unless*
you are logged in. This mechanism is designed to keep the bulk
of the traffic on our high bandwidth site but our secured info
(eg, when a customer is ordering a product) on our secure server.

What I would like you to try is to visit this URL:

https://www.bitscope.net/login/
At the university computer I get a login page, with name and
password
field. For my home address a timeout

and log-in. If you can log-in successfully then you will *not*
be redirected to our com website (ie, you will see our website
served from bitscope.net not from bitscope.com).

If this works:

[A] it will give you an immediate mechanism by which you should
be able to view any page we publish.

[B] it will prove that the problem relates to something about
you access to our www.bitscope.com host.

If this does not work, or rather if browsing via bitscope.net has
the same problems as our bitscope.com, the problem must be some
sort of issue between our web server or website configuration
and your web browser or its setup. If so, some questions:

[A] what web browser and OS are you using? What does you web
browser identify itself as when visiting a website?
I use 4 Mac's, 2 Linux systems (ubuntu and Suse 10.2), and Windows-
XP
machines. The browsers are typically Firefox 2.0 (all three
platforms), sometimes Safari (Mac, Windows), and rarely IE7(Windows,
Linux + wine).

[B] are cookies enabled? If so, try disabling them and try
again. If not, please check the rules your browser uses
when rejecting cookies.
Cookies are enabled. If I disable cookies, I can see the redirection
going on in the address field. The url gets ?c=xxxxxxx appended.
I've attached a http trace (via wireshark on Linux) of the failing
communication, and another one of the succesful one at the
University. The differences are minor unfortunately




10955:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:17:34:02 +1000] "GET /
login HTTP/1.1" 301 319 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X;
en) AppleWebKit/419.2.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/419.3"
10956:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:17:34:02 +1000] "GET /
login/ HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X;
en) AppleWebKit/419.2.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/419.3"
10957:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:17:34:03 +1000] "GET /
login/?c=674CA6CCFA512A4451625740BDB97D05 HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/
5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/419.2.1 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Safari/419.3"
10958:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:17:34:04 +1000] "GET /
login/ HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X;
en) AppleWebKit/419.2.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/419.3"
10959:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:17:34:40 +1000] "GET /
login/ HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X;
en) AppleWebKit/419.2.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/419.3"
11789:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:19:04:06 +1000]
"GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:
1.8.1.4) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.4 (Ubuntu-feisty)"
11790:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:19:04:07 +1000]
"GET /?c=E84A658C5ACD67D71D5BDB717498080B HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/
5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/
2.0.0.4 (Ubuntu-feisty)"
12184:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:19:24:31 +1000]
"GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 14193 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-
US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.4 (Ubuntu-feisty)"
12185:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:19:24:40 +1000]
"GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X;
en) AppleWebKit/419.2.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/419.3"
12186:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:19:24:41 +1000]
"GET /?c=E84566E5C885B9BB7B4E1916830839D9 HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/
5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/419.2.1 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Safari/419.3"
12438:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:19:35:17 +1000]
"GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1;
en) AppleWebKit/522.11.3 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Safari/
522.11.3"
12439:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:19:35:17 +1000]
"GET /?c=0B9D3E030A9707D7EFF8A415D8270C2C HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/
5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en) AppleWebKit/522.11.3 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Version/3.0 Safari/522.11.3"
12440:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:19:37:04 +1000]
"GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows
NT 5.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)"
12441:e175078.upc-e.chello.nl - - [26/Jun/2007:19:37:04 +1000]
"GET /?c=0C8DF0710713CC8986AB9BE531F869A9 HTTP/1.1" 302 5 "-" "Mozilla/
4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)"
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[Christa]

Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:20:45 +0200 tikte dan wel citeerde «Jos»:

>
>Met Casema gaat het prima.

Yep, ook vanuit den Haag.

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Christa