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    Nick FitzGerald
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    MS Security Response is a bunch of half-witted morons

    Try to read Microsoft's latest security epistles:

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-009.mspx
    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-010.mspx

    with a browser that does not have JavaScript enabled...

    (And yes, they have retrofitted this "improvement" to _all_ previous
    security bulletins...)

    Earth to MSRP:

    1. Your job is to improve security.

    2. Two years ago Billy Boy charged the whole of the company to
    straighten up its act as regards security.

    3. MS Security Bulletins were "improved" about 24-30 months ago by a
    web design team that clearly does not have an ounce of security smarts
    among its entire membership. That "improvement" (_purely_ aesthetic,
    and highly debatable anyway) made the bulletins unreadable in IE unless
    you are prepared to trust MS and its web presence providers (I'm not
    for various reasons -- the company as whole is just far too large and
    "attractive" a target; there have been some very bad whoops-es with
    Akamai and the Nimda virus; etc). Anyway, that "improvement" was the
    final straw that moved me to using Mozilla as my browser of choice, as
    it rendered that "improved" form of your pages fine, _and_ with
    scripting and the like disabled.

    4. Now the Security Bulletins have been "improved" even further,
    turning the detail expansion links into frelling javascript links.
    What in the blue blazes is between the ears of your web development
    folk? Have they forgotten that the venerable HREF tag can work without
    scripting, ActiveX and all manner of other popular but unnecessary cr*p
    that web designers can't seem to ignore? When it comes to security
    bulletins, f*ck art -- give me _readable content_.

    Sheeeesh!!!



    A few weeks back some online magazine editor was asking for clear,
    reasoned arguments that "Microsoft just doesn't get security".
    Arguments be damned -- if you have two security clues you only have to
    look at MS' own security web pages to _see_ that "Microsoft just
    doesn't get security".

    TCI is clearly a media and PR circus.

    (In case the magazine editor and his conspirator still do not get the
    point of the above, Microsoft has no business dictating _my_ or _anyone
    else's_ security policies. This is as fundamental an aspect of
    security as there is. Posting its security bulletins in a format that
    requires their readers to set their browsers to a configuration that is
    acknowledged to be _severely security lowering_, while maintaining that
    it is doing everything possible to improve the security of its
    products, is the height of hypocrisy and clearly makes a lie of its
    public proclamations that it is working to further improve security.)


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    Nick FitzGerald
    Computer Virus Consulting Ltd.
    Ph/FAX: +64 3 3529854


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    Walter Wart
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    Re: MS Security Response is a bunch of half-witted morons

    On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 05:57, Nick FitzGerald wrote:
    > Try to read Microsoft's latest security epistles:
    >
    > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-009.mspx
    > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-010.mspx
    >
    > with a browser that does not have JavaScript enabled...
    >
    > (And yes, they have retrofitted this "improvement" to _all_ previous
    > security bulletins...)
    >
    > Earth to MSRP:

    [...]

    Nick, your points are well taken. Everyone of them makes sense. And you
    will never get disagreement from me (or most people here) for a spot of
    Microsoft abuse. But you might want to address your comments to
    Microsoft directly as well as to these lists.

    Regards,
    Todd
    --
    Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Gates R'chmd wgah'nagl fhtagn.


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    Kim Scarborough
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    Re: MS Security Response is a bunch of half-witted morons

    > Try to read Microsoft's latest security epistles:
    >
    > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-009.mspx
    > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-010.mspx
    >
    > with a browser that does not have JavaScript enabled...


    It works in Lynx. If you look at the page source, all the content is there.
    The problem is this tag just before the technical description:

    <div id="s3l1-4" style="display:none">

    I've been playing around with custom stylesheets but I can't seem to find a
    way to override that.

    In the meantime, I'd recommend people go here:

    <http://cgi.w3.org/cgi-bin/html2txt?u...Fms04-009.mspx>

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