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    markus-1977@gmx.net
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    Hey,

    > I've been working with fingerprint authentication devices for over 9 years

    now. The basis for the research quoted on cracking these
    > devices is weak. Is it possible to devise a way to fool fingerprint

    readers?... given enough time, gummy bears and glue? It may be
    > possible but having tested the devices over a number of years I can say

    that it is very difficult. By the time a person was able to do
    > lithography and form a "gummy finger" of some type their password could

    have been stolen hundreds of times over by a hardware
    > key-logger or socially engineered.


    There are a few things that are very disturbing about Biometrics (even with
    a better reader), though:

    a) biometrics are no secrets (I leave my fingerprint everywhere); retinas
    are readable from some distance... where do you get a new thumb-print, when it
    gets compromised? Yes, for good security it should be "know" and "have", but
    look at what's going on in practice: They want to introduce fingerprints in
    passports - why not have a pin as well?

    b) security depends a lot on the reader, i.e. the "life-detection". Just
    what will happen when all the countries agree on having fingerprints in the
    passports. Will the readers in some third-world countries be as secure as in the
    US/EU? What will happen when somebody can fake my entry into some country? Or
    assume it will be used for payment or something like that... Will all the
    readers be secure enough to detect gummy fingers? A pin-pad on the other hand
    is relatively simple...

    c) Biometrics is always "fuzzy comparison". If I have a pin, it's either
    correct or not. If the PIN/password is difficult enough, I can encrypt stuff
    with it. If only a hash is stored, then the device will not "know" the correct
    password to decrypt my secrets but can verify that the user knows it.
    Biometrics on the other hand always compares to a reference stored somewhere. The
    reference is in the clear, because (to the best of my knowledge) there is no
    hash-function out there that will hash your fuzzy fingerprint to a constant
    value is it accepts and to something random if it rejects. That means that data
    on the Thumbdrives is most likely not "encrypted" with your fingerprint. Most
    likely it will make some comparison and then allow or deny access. There is
    some work in progress to extract keys from fingerprints, though. However,
    it'll take some time until we will find this in products...

    Markus

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    Navaneetharangan
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    Dear Markus,
    I totally agree with you that a biometric system can be compromised, but
    then most of the security systems can be compromised. It is only the
    effort required and complexity involved that sets any system apart. In
    this angle, having worked with biometric devices and having developed
    applications using fingerprint readers before, I feel that the modern
    day biometric readers are a far improved lot and are really very
    effective for logical and physical access control systems.
    1) Many of the fingerprint authentication systems do encrypt the
    fingerprint data before storing it in the database or as a digest file.
    Ofcourse this is not a one way hash, but mostly a symmetric encryption
    that happens.
    2) With the arrival of optic based fingerprint scanners, the probability
    of getting authenticated on latent fingerprints (or by using a lifted
    fingerprint) is very minimal.
    3) And you can use all the ten fingers of yours for authentication; it
    need not always be your thumbprint alone.

    The only disadvantage in this area, as rightly brought out by you, is
    1) There is no standard amongst hardware manufacturers. Therefore there
    is no compatibility between different hardwares. The BioAPI which is a
    consortium for Biometric Development is doing a great job in laying the
    rules of the game. However we need to still go a lot further before
    biometrics can get a deFacto standard in the security industry.

    Having said all that, I still agree that it is always better to go for
    dual factor authentication ( 'Are' + 'Know' or 'Have').

    Regards
    C.Navaneetharangan CISA

    -----Original Message-----
    From: markus-1977@gmx.net [mailto:markus-1977@gmx.net]
    Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:08 AM
    To: David.Cross@ngc.com; bugtraq@securityfocus.com
    Subject: RE: Hacking USB Thumbdrives, Thumprint authentication

    Hey,

    > I've been working with fingerprint authentication devices for over 9

    years
    now. The basis for the research quoted on cracking these
    > devices is weak. Is it possible to devise a way to fool fingerprint

    readers?... given enough time, gummy bears and glue? It may be
    > possible but having tested the devices over a number of years I can

    say
    that it is very difficult. By the time a person was able to do
    > lithography and form a "gummy finger" of some type their password

    could
    have been stolen hundreds of times over by a hardware
    > key-logger or socially engineered.


    There are a few things that are very disturbing about Biometrics (even
    with
    a better reader), though:

    a) biometrics are no secrets (I leave my fingerprint everywhere);
    retinas
    are readable from some distance... where do you get a new thumb-print,
    when it
    gets compromised? Yes, for good security it should be "know" and "have",
    but
    look at what's going on in practice: They want to introduce fingerprints
    in
    passports - why not have a pin as well?

    b) security depends a lot on the reader, i.e. the "life-detection". Just
    what will happen when all the countries agree on having fingerprints in
    the
    passports. Will the readers in some third-world countries be as secure
    as in the
    US/EU? What will happen when somebody can fake my entry into some
    country? Or
    assume it will be used for payment or something like that... Will all
    the
    readers be secure enough to detect gummy fingers? A pin-pad on the other
    hand
    is relatively simple...

    c) Biometrics is always "fuzzy comparison". If I have a pin, it's either
    correct or not. If the PIN/password is difficult enough, I can encrypt
    stuff
    with it. If only a hash is stored, then the device will not "know" the
    correct
    password to decrypt my secrets but can verify that the user knows it.
    Biometrics on the other hand always compares to a reference stored
    somewhere. The
    reference is in the clear, because (to the best of my knowledge) there
    is no
    hash-function out there that will hash your fuzzy fingerprint to a
    constant
    value is it accepts and to something random if it rejects. That means
    that data
    on the Thumbdrives is most likely not "encrypted" with your fingerprint.
    Most
    likely it will make some comparison and then allow or deny access. There
    is
    some work in progress to extract keys from fingerprints, though.
    However,
    it'll take some time until we will find this in products...

    Markus

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    Dave Aronson
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    On Wed February 4 2004 13:37, markus-1977@gmx.net wrote:

    > (to the best of my knowledge) there is no
    > hash-function out there that will hash your fuzzy fingerprint to a
    > constant value is it accepts and to something random if it rejects.


    Law enforcement agencies use some kind of algorithm to convert
    fingerprints to a numeric value, so that they can be easily compared.
    This resulting value could of course be hashed. Question is, is this
    something that (so far) a human must do, or is it automatable in real
    time by a reasonably small and low-priced system?

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    David Brodbeck
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    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Dave Aronson [mailto:spamtrap.secfocus@dja.mailme.org]


    > Law enforcement agencies use some kind of algorithm to convert
    > fingerprints to a numeric value, so that they can be easily
    > compared.


    My understanding is that this is only an approximate representation -- it's
    not intended to be unique, it's only a method for quickly locating prints
    similar to the suspect print. The final comparison between a print that's
    on file and a suspect print is done by eye, and is actually somewhat
    subjective.

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    Eric Murray
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    On Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 10:06:22AM -0500, Dave Aronson wrote:
    > On Wed February 4 2004 13:37, markus-1977@gmx.net wrote:
    >
    > > (to the best of my knowledge) there is no
    > > hash-function out there that will hash your fuzzy fingerprint to a
    > > constant value is it accepts and to something random if it rejects.

    >
    > Law enforcement agencies use some kind of algorithm to convert
    > fingerprints to a numeric value, so that they can be easily compared.
    > This resulting value could of course be hashed. Question is, is this
    > something that (so far) a human must do, or is it automatable in real
    > time by a reasonably small and low-priced system?



    Fingerprints are matched on what are called minutae, which are
    relative locations where lines break, join, etc.
    (some systems may also look at whorl direction, the one I
    worked with did not)

    A typical digital fingerprint's got somewhere around 20-30 minutae.
    Not all of them will be picked up in each scan, depending
    on finger orientation, smudging, dirt, etc.

    Search criteria will be for some percentage of matches, depending
    on the desired false accept/false reject ratio.

    So a simple hash of the minutae won't work very well as it will
    result in an unacceptably high false reject ratio.

    But the matching is easily automated.
    The system I worked with used 4-byte ints to represent
    minutae location and capped the number at 50.

    Eric



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    Charles Clancy
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    > > Law enforcement agencies use some kind of algorithm to convert
    > > fingerprints to a numeric value, so that they can be easily compared.

    >
    > My understanding is that this is only an approximate representation --
    > it's not intended to be unique, it's only a method for quickly locating
    > prints similar to the suspect print. The final comparison between a
    > print that's on file and a suspect print is done by eye, and is actually
    > somewhat subjective.


    Most fingerprint systems convert the fingerprint image into what's called
    a template. This is a numeric representation, but comparision between
    two templates is not as simple as "==". Different portions of the
    template represent different minutae on the fingerprint, and an actual
    feature matching algorithm still needs to be used. Thus, we cannot hash
    these templates because there is no way to perform matching on the
    template hashes.

    So far nobody has produced an algorithm to reliably extract a symmetric
    key from a fingerprint without any side information. However, with some
    extra information it is possible to obscure a private key on a smartcard
    such that the key is only recoverable given a fingerprint that matches the
    original. This allows all the biometric processing to happen on a
    smartcard (and not on an untrusted terminal) without storing the
    fingerprint itself on the smartcard. An attacker needs both the card and
    your fingerprint to recover your key.

    [ t. charles clancy ]--[ tcc@umd.edu ]--[ www.cs.umd.edu/~clancy ]
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    Fingerprint data is difficult to hash since the comparators are fuzzy in =
    nature. Basically you are dealing with vectors or distances between =
    minutiae (points of interest) and their direction including slant/curve. =
    Minutiae readings will differ slightly with each print sampling. For =
    accuracy each print has to be compared to each sample seeking a match. =
    The matching process can be time consuming.

    That being said there is a way to fuzzify a representation of the print =
    in a numeric form. Since the algorithms produce an encrypted output of =
    end points and vectors you are left to trying to attach statistical =
    significance to the decrypted version of the algorithm output data. Or =
    you can fuzzify a representation of the image itself as most API's allow =
    capture and storage of a bitmap of the print. The captured prints will =
    have variance in placement on the print window and will collect more or =
    less white-space or skewed position. Prints will also have more or less =
    surface area depending on the pressure applied during the print capture =
    process. (This is why the algorithms look for points of interest on the =
    print and will refuse many finger placements during the print =
    enrollment/verification process.)

    Since I get paid for figuring out how to index prints I'll keep the =
    secret to myself but you have the basics of what's needed to figure it =
    out with the help of a little high school math.

    Enjoy~
    David Cross

    P.S. hashing is a bad technique in this case because hash's must produce =
    a unique result that you end up extremely similar inputs having vastly =
    different hash output values. In this case you want to reduce the pool =
    of candidate prints and then do a 1 on 1 comparison of the reduced set. =
    Think more along the lines of averages rather than hashes...

    Most systems will make you enter a pin or a username and then will do =
    the 1 on 1 comparison because of the time cost of comparing all prints =
    in the database. Some companies sell systems that compare all prints in =
    the database 1 on 1 to the input but you have the issue of buying an =
    expensive server and you give up the two factor safety aspect.



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Dave Aronson [mailto:spamtrap.secfocus@dja.mailme.org]=20
    Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:06 AM
    To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com
    Cc: markus-1977@gmx.net
    Subject: Re: Hacking USB Thumbdrives, Thumprint authentication

    On Wed February 4 2004 13:37, markus-1977@gmx.net wrote:

    > (to the best of my knowledge) there is no
    > hash-function out there that will hash your fuzzy fingerprint to a
    > constant value is it accepts and to something random if it rejects.


    Law enforcement agencies use some kind of algorithm to convert=20
    fingerprints to a numeric value, so that they can be easily compared. =20
    This resulting value could of course be hashed. Question is, is this=20
    something that (so far) a human must do, or is it automatable in real=20
    time by a reasonably small and low-priced system?

    --=20
    Dave Aronson, Senior Software Engineer, Secure Software Inc.
    (Opinions above NOT those of securesw.com unless so stated!)
    Email me at: work (D0T) 2004 (@T) dja (D0T) mailme (D0T) org
    Web: http://destined.to/program http://listen.to/davearonson

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    Lyal Collins
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    [> Most fingerprint systems convert the fingerprint image into
    [> what's called
    [> a template. This is a numeric representation, but
    [> comparision between
    [> two templates is not as simple as "==". Different portions of the
    [> template represent different minutae on the fingerprint, and
    [> an actual
    [> feature matching algorithm still needs to be used. Thus, we
    [> cannot hash
    [> these templates because there is no way to perform matching on the
    [> template hashes.

    There has been some interesting work done with facial biometrics that
    leverages the predictability of facial features (most eyes look similar,
    noses have a similar basic shape etc) to allow the generation of a
    'false' facial image that will match to the template of a chosen target
    template. This iterates the placement and subtle variations in the
    faked facial image until this fake image results in an acceptable match
    through the same template generation process. The image doesn't need to
    be exactly the same (and the example images I saw were barely "human" to
    the naked eye) - merely that theey result in a similar template as the
    true image.

    I suspect the same process of iteratively varying whorls, ridges etc
    could, and would, result in a fales fingerprint that results in an
    acceptable template match to the real finger.

    Has anyone researched this with fingerprints?
    Lyal



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