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    Florian Weimer
    Re: Sun M-class hardware denial of service
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    Re: Sun M-class hardware denial of service

    * Theo de Raadt:

    > Oh I get it. You can use a "trust relationship with your
    > administrators" to get around the fact that Sun sold a piece of
    > hardware which does not provide the isolation they promised in their
    > white papers and documentation.


    Quoting from <http://www.sun.com/servers/sparcenterprise/SPARCEnt-ResMan-Final.pdf>:

    | Fault isolation and error management
    |
    | Domains are protected against software or hardware failures in other
    | domains. Failures in hardware shared between domains cause failures only
    | in the domains that share the hardware. When a domain encounters a fatal
    | error, a domainstop operation occurs that cleanly and quickly shuts down
    | only the domain with the error. Domainstop operates by shutting down the
    | paths in and out of the system address controller and the system data
    | interface application-specific integrated circuits (ASICs). The shutdown
    | is intended to prevent further corruption of data, and to facilitate
    | debugging by not allowing the failure to be masked by continued
    | operation.
    |
    | When certain hardware errors occur in a Sun SPARC Enterprise system, the
    | system controller performs specific diagnosis and domain recovery
    | steps. The following automatic diagnosis engines identify and diagnose
    | hardware errors that affect the availability of the system and its
    | domains:
    |
    | • XSCF diagnosis engine — diagnoses hardware errors associated with
    | domain stops
    |
    | • Solaris Operating System diagnosis engine — identifies non-fatal
    | domain hardware errors and reports them to the system controller
    |
    | • POST diagnosis engine — identifies any hardware test failures that
    | occur when the power-on self-test is run
    |
    | In most situations, hardware failures that cause a domain crash are
    | detected and eliminated from the domain configuration either by power-on
    | self test (POST) or OpenBoot PROM during the subsequent automatic
    | recovery boot of the domain. However, there can be situations where
    | failures are intermittent or the boot-time tests are inadequate to
    | detect failures that cause repeated domain failures and reboots. In
    | those situations, XSCF uses configurations or configuration policies
    | supplied by the domain administrator to eliminate hardware from the
    | domain configuration in an attempt to get a stable domain environment
    | running.

    The final paragraph suggests that the behavior is configurable, but
    according to
    <http://docs.sun.com/source/819-6202-13/21ch4p.html#0_pgfId-146307>,
    it's n

    | 4.6.2 Clearing the Fault/Degradation Information
    |
    | The information on a faulty or degraded component is cleared when the
    | component is replaced. For a component replacement, please contact a
    | field engineer.

    All in all, the behavior in this case is mostly as promised in the
    documentation.

    One plausible explanation for the fault is that part of the POST is
    executed by the booting kernel. This design has the disadvantage that
    it's possible to fault the domain from within, without actual hardware
    failures (it might suffice to have a kernel image that checksums, but
    doesn't signal booting success to the XSCF when run). The advantage is
    that this part of the POST is easier to upgrade (and potentially to
    validate as well), and it also makes sure that system administrators do
    not pamper over severe hardware issues which lead to support nightmares
    later on.

    On the other hand, I generally prefer a "trust me, I know what I'm
    doing" switch on the systems I deal with. It's really frustrating if a
    system tries to protect itself from me, and consequently fails to comply
    with the actual requirements in this situation.


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    Theo de Raadt
    Re: Sun M-class hardware denial of service
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    Re: Sun M-class hardware denial of service

    > On the other hand, I generally prefer a "trust me, I know what I'm
    > doing" switch on the systems I deal with. It's really frustrating if a
    > system tries to protect itself from me, and consequently fails to comply
    > with the actual requirements in this situation.


    As well, note that a power-off of the system is apparently not
    sufficient (or so I am led to understand).

    You have to call Sun, provide your serial number, and an engineer
    comes on-site to reset the faulted domain, and then power cycles the
    machine.

    Then after it happens too many times, the Sun engineer will opt to
    provide the instructions and email a 48-hour-use one-time-password
    that will let the owner of the machine do it themselves. Enter the
    password, type a few commands, and power the machine off.

    That is my understanding of how the situation worked for the machine
    where our developers were causing this problem.

    That isn't just the system protecting you from yourself; that's a
    non-clearable fault causing multiple service calls.


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    Florian Weimer
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    Re: Sun M-class hardware denial of service

    * Theo de Raadt:

    >> On the other hand, I generally prefer a "trust me, I know what I'm
    >> doing" switch on the systems I deal with. It's really frustrating if a
    >> system tries to protect itself from me, and consequently fails to comply
    >> with the actual requirements in this situation.

    >
    > As well, note that a power-off of the system is apparently not
    > sufficient (or so I am led to understand).


    Yes, obviously, otherwise you could run on hardware which has been
    detected as faulty.

    If my theory is correct, it would have been possible to avoid the
    power-off by replacing the hardware in that domain. You should be able
    to clear the fault information in the affected FRUs off-line (which
    probably requires some magic numbers, too), and mount them in a
    different enclosure.

    > That isn't just the system protecting you from yourself; that's a
    > non-clearable fault causing multiple service calls.


    Hey, after all, you are tampering business records related to your
    support contract. 8-/


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