mark seiden-via mac
31/12/07, 18:35
On Dec 26, 2007, at 4:33 PM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:02:18 +0200, Juha-Matti Laurio said:
>> Guardster Team has posted its response on 21st Dec to Cryptome:
>
>> "We can assure you that we do not cooperate with the NSA or any other
>> government agency anywhere in the world. We invite whomever is
>> making this
>> statement to provide proof, rather than making a baseless accusation.
>
> Note that if they had been served with an NSL (National Security
> Letter),
> they may be legally *required* to lie about it while cooperating.
> Actually
> truthfully saying "Yeah, an NSL showed up and we complied" could
> land them
> in jail....
not exactly true, i think. the gag order on recipients of a NSL has
never required lying, just
saying nothing (which is bad enough, given the historical lack of
recipient access to judicial
review).
i would personally be more suspicious of the providers who had no
comment
than the ones who made unequivocal denials.
the gag feature is in court at the moment (with a ruling against the
govt's position
from as recently as september) according to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:02:18 +0200, Juha-Matti Laurio said:
>> Guardster Team has posted its response on 21st Dec to Cryptome:
>
>> "We can assure you that we do not cooperate with the NSA or any other
>> government agency anywhere in the world. We invite whomever is
>> making this
>> statement to provide proof, rather than making a baseless accusation.
>
> Note that if they had been served with an NSL (National Security
> Letter),
> they may be legally *required* to lie about it while cooperating.
> Actually
> truthfully saying "Yeah, an NSL showed up and we complied" could
> land them
> in jail....
not exactly true, i think. the gag order on recipients of a NSL has
never required lying, just
saying nothing (which is bad enough, given the historical lack of
recipient access to judicial
review).
i would personally be more suspicious of the providers who had no
comment
than the ones who made unequivocal denials.
the gag feature is in court at the moment (with a ruling against the
govt's position
from as recently as september) according to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter